Bottles & 12-oz. The new movement (some say fad) began with the standard, reach out and touch someone cartridges such as the .308, .30-06, 7mm Remington Magnum, and .300 Winchester Magnum. The latter two have become popular and have proven extremely effective for large game such as moose, Alaskan brown bears, etc. This is because the bullet for that cartridge has a .308" diameter. This fall, I got the chance to hunt elk in northern Utah with the Nosler crew and I decided to give their most powerful cartridge, the .33 Nosler, a chance to prove me wrong. I believe this is one of the best recoil tables I have seen. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. The .26 and .28 Noslers share the same case dimensions except for the neck being sized to accept respective bullet diameters, but the .30 Nosler case has the shoulder datum moved back to a shorter dimension. 1) Using a bullet stabilization calculator shows that a standard 1 in 12 twist 308 barrel will only give marginal stability to the long 168gr bullets. While the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler share the same cartridge case dimensions, the .30 Nosler has a slightly shorter length to the shoulder dimension than the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler,[7] and the .33 Nosler has a shorter shoulder dimension yet than that of the .30 Nosler. This was helpful and interesting! The case diameter and taper resemble those of the 6.8mm Remington SPC; so Nosler recommends using a magazine designed for that cartridge. I believe both rifles weighed about the same. I wonder if its time to add the 7 PRC to this table? The 300 Remington Ultra Magnum needs at least a 26-inch barrel to take advantage of its fire-breathing potential, and a 28-inch is even better. The 33 Nosler is capable of propelling a 225gr AccuBond at 3025 fps and the brand new 265gr AccuBond Long Range at 2775 fps. It would seem like you could get away with even less gun if you limited your shots to closer in. Thanks for that JamesGod bless from Cypress, TX. It means that we have a rifle that more or less mimics the flat trajectory of the .270 Win. Im specifically comparing 7prc, 6.8 western, and 277 fury. He has managed multiple gun ranges, and has hunted around the world. Wow!! and even bests the .340 Wby. So in the below table, we look at the rifles and their recoil sorted by recoil velocity (the pain it will inflict) from most to least. It delivers greater velocity than even the gargantuan .270 Weatherby. I mean you aren't going to get quite the range with the 33 so you aren't going to gain much over your 338 WM with it. A broad butt and comb help spread the recoil over a greater area of your shoulder and face for added comfort. Glad it was helpful! In short order, people took an interest in what the precision match community had up their sleeves. We can see that the .28 Nosler has quite a smaller bullet and length than the .308 Winchester: it is just its increased energy that makes it such a more powerful cartridge. Some people look at the recoil energy of a 50BMG and think they will be KILLED by 83.17 ft-lbs of free recoil energy; however, the 50BMG is a physically heavy gun (usually over 30 lbs), so the recoil moves slowly (also because of the muzzle brake). That 3025fps for the 33 Nosler seems pretty legitamate, I can go faster than that. Like other Nosler cartridges, the case is based loosely on the beltless .404 Jeffery case, which offers magnum capacity and performance. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. Nosler Pro Staff; Sponsored Shooters; Project 48; Employment; Nosler Dealers. The .28 Nosler also packs a much greater punch to keep its stopping power up over those long ranges. The .28 Nosler is basically only appropriate for the biggest game in North America. Jim, so much work is summarized in what you have built. I am looking at expanding my rifle collection and this info is so helpful. The RUM and Nosler do seem to shine a bit more in the lighter weight bullets . The .28 Nosler produces a sharp, powerful recoil which most shooters find to be too much unless they shoot with a muzzle break or suppressor. This is rad, but would be even sweeter if you allowed visitors to sort by columns of their choice. Thats the way we should feel about humanely taking deer. 12.7mm. The .30-06 cartridge has a strong but not particularly sharp recoil. . Sure, it makes lots of noise and scares the crap out of everyone on the range, but it doesnt really punish the shoulder. loved the info was very helpful, literally a life saver. Some of these have been very successful commercially with hunters and match shooters and with various militaries, but for several reasons others have struggled. This can reduce the recoil between 20% and 50% depending on the size and effectiveness of the brake. 500-yard drop: 33 inches . It also prevents cross-caliber chambering. While the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler share the same cartridge case dimensions, the .30 Nosler has a slightly shorter length to the shoulder dimension than the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler,[7] and the .33 Nosler has a shorter shoulder length dimension than that of the .30 Nosler. I spent SOOOO long putting the data for this post together. Nosler adds a new cartridge in 2020, the .27 Nosler. 6.5 PRC Vs. Creedmore, Nosler, and Other Cartridges. Now I am better informed and will make better decisions regarding what to buy and stock up on. The first to be introduced was .26 Nosler, followed by .28 Nosler, .30 Nosler, .33 Nosler, .22 Nosler, and .27 Nosler. 6.5 Creedmoor is a great choice for many unexperienced or small bodied shooters. Required fields are marked *. I wouldnt mind hunting but not sure how to start. Its recoil is noticeable, but most adult shooters consider it sufficiently mild as to not require a muzzle break or suppressor. So it would apply to deer or elk. The .28 Nosler is no exception. The .308 Winchester can go between medium and large game, since it does not have the full power of the .28 Nosler. There are other good options as well, but 6.5 Creedmoor has such good bullet availability (during normal times) and rifles to select from that its a no brainer. We reserve the right to correct pricing errors. Most people consider the .270 a moderate-recoiling cartridge that can push the shooter off target during the shot, but is not enough to cause pain in the average adult shooter. They chose .333-inch bullets because .338-inch .33 Winchester bullets were too light and gave poor performance on big game when pushed to O.K.H. Thank you again Jim for your excellent channel, Just curious of your thoughts on the 6mm Remington I have a Mohawk that is chambered in that as you know the Mohawk has an 18 inch barrel. The recoil VELOCITY number of the .50 BMG is similar to a .308. Throughout shooting sessions, the trigger broke cleanly at 2 34 pounds. One of the most prominent differences between the two is that the 28 Nosler fires a bullet diameter of 7mm or 0.284" while the 300 PRC fires the . Short Belted was based on the .300 H&H Magnum case but shortened, blown out and necked to accept .333-inch bullets and had an overall length that allowed it to function in .30-06 length actions but gave notably greater velocities than the .333 O.K.H. 7mm Weatherby created around the 1940's, 7mm RUM created in 2001 approx. One thing Id like to ask is, if you still have the info handy, could you please add the rifle weight you used for each of the calculations so we could have an idea to expect more/less felt recoil with our rifle selections? Thanks Jim. What is the felt recoil (recoil velocity) of a reduced recoil Hornady 125 grain SST (Custom Lite) load? [14] This feature helps weight-conscious sportsmen to lighten their load before venturing into the backcountry. Long Belted wildcat cartridges and the .338 Winchester and .340 Weatherby cartridges cannot be ignored. The crosshairs are illuminated for low-light shooting, while the click finger adjustments are 14 MOA. The .33 Nosler is the latest; modern in every respect, it fully delivers (even exceeds) its advertised ballistics of pushing a 225-grain Nosler AccuBond bullet 3,025 fps. Its a round that I was never really interested in until now because it seems to be the only ammo I can find these days. The extra power of the .28 Nosler is necessary if so. I want this to be perfect. It is the second cartridge designed by Nosler. [10], The .26 Nosler cartridge specifications have been submitted to SAAMI and a data sheet is currently available.[4]. Brakes are loud and some folks cant stand them but theres little question that they work. based on the .30-06 case necked to accept .333-caliber Jeffery bullets weighing up to 300 grains. The .28 Nosler has a bullet diameter of .22, a case length of 1.76, and an overall length of 2.26. Beginning in the 1930s, experimenters Charlie ONeil, Elmer Keith and Don Hopkins began designing .33-caliber wildcat cartridges and building rifles. The .28 Nosler is a belted magnum cartridge that uses a small rifle primer. Often three shots would cluster in a single ragged hole that was easily under .5 inch, but twice the fourth round opened the group to around .75 inch, which was shooter error. From 140-175 it runs a little faster with higher BC and SD'ed bullets. And the 30-28 Nosler is a big step up from your 300WSM , it has a wider range of bullet . Thanks for any help. The name .26 Nosler refers to the first two digits in the caliber (0.264in; 6.7mm) of the bullets that the cartridge fires and the name of the company which created it. How much longer depends on a number of things, including barrel quality and whether a barrel is regularly cleaned and serviced or abused by its owner. The first U.S. commercially available .338-caliber rifle was the .33 Winchester introduced in the Model 1886 lever-action rifle around 1902. You mentioned Weatherby rifles because of stock design helps with recoil! So, what does that mean in the real world? Unfortunately, the 30 Nosler has the same design limitations as the 300 Win Mag, 300 RUM, and the 300 Weatherby. One item I remain curious about is where the 12 gauge shotgun cartridge fits. 8. If you had to choose from left-handed choice, what would be good, better, best picks? The 6.5 Creedmoor produces 11.83 ft-lbs of energy at a recoil velocity of 9.54 fps in an average-weight rifle. Its fixed now. The heart of the rifle is a new Model 21 action, which has . SJB358":oa2xyivx said: This is easy, the 280! Ill explain. Without a muzzle brake, the .33 is no fun at all to shoot from the bench or prone, though its manageable in field positions and youd likely never notice the recoil with a big bull in your crosshairs. I find that a good recoil pad also makes a significant difference in recoil. The .50BMG produces a tremendous amount of recoil, measuring at 83.17 ft-lbs of energy. ), .330 Dakota and others. 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Hi Jim, most is oh it feels like a ( insert rifle caliber here) i know im shooting a inline with 60 grains of pyrodex and a 250 grain bullet out of a 10 lb rifle, it feels like my 3030 but i have no way of knowing if im risking my life with the recoil. The 28 Nosler is quite a step up from the 7mag, being it can handle the 195 bergers it it's in a different class as far as LRH. Note the shoulder datum differences between the .26 and .28 compared to the .30 and .33. Four of Nosler's Cartridges, the .26 Nosler, .28 Nosler, .30 Nosler, and .33 Nosler, are based on the same .300 Remington Ultra Magnum[6] parent case. there is a ton of ppl that would love that info. Ballistically, the 30 Nosler is going to win most of the time at the expense of a relatively small amount of extra powder and barrel life. Nosler Custom 338Win 24.75" Walnut w/Leupold Limited Edition 105. I watched a video of another hunter in camp who shot a bull with a 225-grain Accubond and it dropped so fast it looked like it had been struck by lightning. The 338, with a heavier, wider bullet, exhibits lower recoil velocity as a result. I could never explain or prove this until I saw your video and recoil charts. Introduced in 2016, the .30 Nosler is a SAAMI approved and standardized cartridge. When I shoot muzzle brakes, I use both earplugs as well as muffs in order to protect my hearing. In January 2017 Nosler introduced the .22 Nosler. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. Why? Cheers To All of Those that Support Your Channel , the Second Amendment and Our Freedom Loving Nation ..!!!!!! In short, don't lose sleep worrying about sufficient energy from a .338 Win. So, its no surprise that the velocity is higher earlier as well. Will you be shooting elk-sized game at longer distances? [15], Four of Nosler's Cartridges the .26 Nosler, .28 Nosler, .30 Nosler, and the .33 Nosler are based on the same .300 Remington Ultra Magnum[6] parent case. I shoot a 340 Weatherby and have always said that it doesnt kick as bad as a 300 WBY. Instead, imagine a baseball traveling at 25 inches per second that hits your shoulder. However, you will be able to take that large game over a variety of distances. Like its stablematesthe .26, .28, and .30 Noslersthe .33 is based on the .300 Remington Ultra Mag case. The same goes for hunters heading north into Canada or Alaska for moose or the big bears. 300 prc vs 28 nosler . wildcats gained some popularity; however, British .333-inch bullets were not always readily available in the U.S., which limited their acceptance among shooters and hunters. A Quick Guide to Understanding Free Recoil Energy. If you take a look at the first table, the cartridges are NOT sorted by ft-lbs of energy, but by velocity (feet per second). For those of you who are new to firearms, lets discuss the basics of what recoil is before we look at the data. Thanks so much for this! Factory .33 Nosler ammunition loaded with 225-grain AccuBond bullets measures 3.324 inches, which allows it to function in standard .30-06 length actions. That's 275 fps faster and 20% more energy than the 338 Winchester Magnum using the same length action and 25fps faster than the 338 Lapua Magnum at the muzzle while burning 18% less powder.. Selecting a rifle and cartridge combination which does not produce too much recoil for the shooters is critical to being able to shoot accurately without developing a flinch. Even with foam earplugs or earmuffs, the sound can still be loud enough to make ears ring. The .334 O.K.H. The name .33 Nosler refers to the first two digits in the caliber (0.338in; 8.6mm) of the bullets that the cartridge fires and the name of the company which created it. The .26 Nosler is designed as a modern 6.5mm cartridge, using recent advances in firearm technology to attain exceptionally high muzzle velocities, up to 1,040m/s (3,400ft/s), and maintain an extremely flat trajectory. The 33 shares the same parent case (404 Jeffery) as the rest of the family but fires .338 caliber bullets for the toughest . A Leupold VX-6 2-12x 42mm CDS-ZL variable scope was installed. When selecting a caliber for one of our muzzle devices, the correct choice is based on your cartridge's actual bullet diameter. The bull was broadside and we were about out of cover.
