Hunters may see an advantage as the ELDX and other hunting bullets are tested. 600m: Out of ten cold shots at 600 meters 7 hit home, pretty impressive. They are an LMT Mars-H with a 20 6.5 CM barrel, Leupold Optics Mark 5 HD 5-25 T3 reticle using 95 grain Hornady VMAX. .563) from wobbling, the 6mm ARC will need at least a 1:7 twist. Cartridge Specs. Honey Badger, XM2010, C22, R4, MSR, CSR, AAC, BARNES BULLETS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykTfyrMiXps). only ever shot someone else's 6br but I have to say I liked it a lot . Some have long and storied histories, while others are just now making their own legends. I also measured five fired but not resized factory 6mm ARC cases. Joseph Von Benedikt visits with Aaron Oelger from Hodgdon about the unprecedented demand on the shooting supply industry. Thread Modes. Who knew wild turkey's were so stupid!? But the 6mm ARC drops 22.2 inches. Why step up to a loud, hard-kicking 300 PRC when youre dropping your deer with your 6.5 Grendel as far as you can shoot in your hunting field? Taurus has redesigned this sporting pistol for performance. Because it fires heavier projectilesup to 110 grainsthan the 5.56 at velocities up to 2,800 fps, the 6mm ARC has the ballistics needed to vastly improve the performance of AR-15 rifles without a lot of added weight. These did not shoot well at all for me at 100 yards with an average of 1.9 MOA and after two lackluster 5-shot groups, I discontinued testing with them. Maybe in a rural area where ranges stretch out, but movement here will be a rarity. Factory match rounds start at 155 grains and go up. Closer to 43, I think. Posts: 11,077. There is nothing more competitve than a 6BR Norma when the wind is consistent or low. See full disclaimer below. Material connection (partnerships) information available at http://ultimatereloader.com/about/, 6mm ARC is so new that as of the writing of this article, published load data did not exist! if you are going to reload for it and want to shoot light bullets. All of the eyeball'ed loads produced sub-MOA groups. It is a 6 BR REM barrel that came off a rifle that I bought for the Remington 600 donor action. The difference between the 6 mm BR Rem and the 6 mm BR Norma are slight, but in a tight chamber . 100 Factory ammo? Those I know that can pick their own stuff are still proving out the 224V and many like it, not sure the differences are enough right now, time will tell. Claims for the 6mm ARC are that it is better in every category. My handloads for the round have all been for Missouri deer, and I can confidently recommend my favorite. Hold for elevation never changed, 4 mils at the top garnered hits at from 4.2-4.7 mils each time, misses were generally wind. Share. Probably not. Based on the .204 Ruger, which was created from the .222 Rem. The latest, sleekest, high B.C. Were going backwards! How about the 26, 27, 28, and 30 Noslers? With more case capacity, the 6mm BR can drive the heavier, higher BC bullets needed at long distance. L. to R. are 223 Rem., 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 Rem. Lets break down a few things about this number: So if you have a 24 bolt-action 6mm ARC rifle, thats the velocity you should expect. But I wanted to get some real-world results with my new, would produce approximately 2,754 FPS in a 24 bolt-action rifle, Dont miss out on Ultimate Reloader updates, make. It is versatile, in that it is suitable in both ARs and mini-bolt guns for hunting, personal protection, and target shooting. Lapua brass is easy to find, however the bullet (105 Hybrid) and powder (Varget/H4895) most run will be tough to find. Some may scoff at the old-fashioned roundnose bullet, but it is a terrific game bullet, and I have never had to use a second shot to down a deer. The pair developed the .22 PPC in 1975, and the 6mm PPC followed in 1987. | In between: Everything performed swimmingly between 100-400 meters as they should, once again the ZEV shines here with no recoil and consistent accuracy, almost boringly easy to get hits. Whats the plus delta on each? While almost any combination of components seems to shoot well, my favorite powders are Hybrid 100V, Reloder 17, and Power Pro 4000MR. Ok from the perspective of one 6mm ARC lover. The problem is that Hornady, which developed the 6 mm ARC, made a slight alteration to the case length so that it would be compatible with very long 6 mm bullets that have a high BC. Five more for effect as fast as I could get back on target ended the drill. ZEV cleaned house using the David Tubb DTR reticle. Many handloaders like the 6mm Rem.s sharper shoulder and longer case, and while its not nearly as popular as the .243 Win., it is nonetheless a great 6mm round. Accuracy was good, with one group I captured on camera (see video) measuring 0.750: I decided to see how fast a 95 grain bullet could be propelled by the 6mm ARC, so I turned to some 6mm Berger Classic Hunter bullets I had on hand, and Ramshot TAC powder. Notify me via e-mail if anyone answers my comment. Photo Courtesy Berger Bullets. My speed is significantly slower ( 50 FPS) than Gavins at 2552 FPS with an SD of 6. Using QuickLoad, I worked up the following load: For this load, I shot a group of 5 shots on the chronograph, and observed the following: This load produced very mild indications of pressure on the case rim, and functioned in the rifle well. Jan 13, 2021. Ballistic Calculators & Field Results . At the time of the 22 PPC and 6mm PPC being developed by Ferris Pindell and Dr. Louis Palmisano (thus the PP), the bench rest winners were often the 222 Remington and the 6x47 Remington (the latter being a necked-up 222 Remington Magnum). In my mind, if 6BR would readily fit in a small frame AR there would be no reason for 6ARC. 6mm ARC: Fact or Fiction? After that, it was the 6.5 and 6CM show. Designed for superior long-range accuracy, the ENDEAVOR line features a 20-inch barrel so that you can squeeze out every drop of ballistic performance from this exciting new caliber. Will it become my 1000 yards rifle, maybe, it is working against the 224V and the jury is still out and will be until I get my hands on their TAP round, Ill keep you posted. .embed-container { position: relative; padding-bottom: 56.25%; height: 0; overflow: hidden; max-width: 100%; height: auto; } .embed-container iframe, .embed-container object, .embed-container embed { position: absolute; top: 0; left: 0; width: 100%; height: 100%; }, Ultimate Reloader LLC / Making with Metal Disclaimer:(by reading this article and/or watching video content you accept these terms), This section is from my 6mm ARC Announcement Post. The 6mm ARC is a medium-power cartridge comparable to the 6.5mm Grendel, but with better ballistics thanks to the greater muzzle velocity achieved by using lighter 6 mm bullets and enough power to make use of the heavy 6 mm bullets. [7] What the 6mm ARC does offer though is almost comparable velocities and ballistic performance, but out of a compact cartridge that has lessened perceived recoil and fits into the standard AR-15 length actions. remains a solid performer with todays high-tech bullets, new powders, and fast-twist rifle barrels. Then theres Hornadys new 300 PRC, Weatherbys 6.5-300 Weatherby, and several more modern speed demons. The .243 Win. Truth be told, the magnum race is still underway. Interestingly enough, my history with 6mm rounds began with the 6mm Remington. All of the design criteria that went into the 6.5 Creedmoor that make it a top performer were also used in the development of the 6mm Creedmoor. Both can produce sub-MOA groups, but 224 Valkyrie seems to spread out faster than 6mm ARC. Its release as a commercial round was presaged by a number of successful 6mm wildcats like the 6mm AR based on the Grendel. Slower, sure, but not enough to matter in the real world on real threats. But no matter, new is new. That will undoubtedly change, but not overnight. The new Mossberg rifles chambered for the new 6mm ARC should give similar results with even less recoil -- not that the old 243 Win. Rifle cartridges (l. to r.) .308 Win, 6mm ARC, 300 AAC, .223 Rem, Hornady 6mm ARC Cartridge - What You Need to Know, Public Introduction - 6.5 Creedmoor - 6mm-ARC-Public-Introduction-Rev-2020-06-18.pdf, Brand new rifle caliber: 6 mm ARC, Hornady's Advanced Rifle Cartridge! Maybe, if you are shooting farther out. Introducing the Silencerco SCO15 Lower Do We Need Another AR-15 Lower? : 2.095" G1 B.C. He gave it a 32-degree shoulder and called it the .243 Rock Chucker.. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. It recoils about 50% less than any long-range 308 Win. The rim diameter of the 6mm ARC is 0.441 inches, while the 243 is slightly larger at 0.471 inches. Excessive recoil, debilitating blast, and marked overpressure remain its claim to fame, thereby making it unsuitable for comparison for most of us. The 6mm ARC is a more aerodynamic bullet than the 6.5 Grendel. Salmon River Solutions: Ulra-Light Brakes, Rails, and more, Area 419 Orange Vise Maintenance and Barrel Change Jaw Kit, Hands-On: Phodera Armory Hill Country 30 Caliber Suppressor, Rifle Reloading Basics Pt1: Safety and Brass Tumbling, NEW Dies from Area 419: M-Series Sizer (In-Depth), Perfect Primer Seating with Frankford Arsenal, RCBS Lightweight Partner Press Unboxing and Overview, TESTED: Double Alpha Academy Turbo Case Feeder, Unsolved: 44 Magnum Over-Pressure Mystery, RCBS Lock-Out Die Part II: Setup and Maintenance, RCBS Lock-Out Die Part I: Theory of Operation, Reloading Safety: Powder Check Systems Overview. An eighteen-inch barrel, maybe even a. How do lower velocity cartridges improve long-range shooting? V-MAX Item No. Ill be publishing a full overview story covering this rifle, but in the meantime, here are some specs from the CMMG Product Page: CMMGs ENDEAVOR line of rifles are now available in Hornadys new 6mm ARC (Advanced Rifle Cartridge). Another cartridge that deserves mention is the relatively new 24 Nosler. The first set of data is loaded to the SAAMI maximum average pressure (MAP) of 52,000 psi, which is stated to be suitable for gas-operated firearms such as the AR-15 platform and its derivatives. Its why the 308 is absent from this test. Barrel-length is an issue. A World Record Attempt and everyone is out at the range shooting and practicing. Read on! Long-range precision shooting is one of the fastest-growing segments of the shooting sports. I got hold of the barrel and some ammunition, the rest was already around and was mounted in a proven build, my Seekins Precision NX15. All testing was completed using 108 grain ELDM from Hornady. I had three high capacity magazines using white followers, two 17 rounders with green followers. Required fields are marked *. Just pouring powder in and checking it by eye. Will it supplant mainstream calibers? case necked up, made especially for ARs. Poll: Whats your number one reason for reloading? This makes it a factory cartridge, although no factory ammo is available, and guns chambered for it are all custom jobs. There is a lot of hoped for or imagined history related to the 22 BR and 6 BR cartridges. Or anything? One other fine 6mm round is the .240 Weatherby Magnum. It is advanced for the AR platform. You must log in or register to reply here. If this rifle is any indication all it took was a barrel, bolt, and magazine swap. My wife has a Ruger American in 6mm Creedmoor, and it is the only round that has been able to pry her away from her beloved .270 Winchester. What does the 6 ARC do that the 6 BR REM hasn't been doing for over 50 years? Lets now realistically compare the 6mm ARC vs. five of its perceived competitors. Posts: 38 Threads: 10 Joined: Aug 2020 #1. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I used the lathe to modify a 6.5 Grendel bushing die and ended up with a 6 ARC die. The bullet drop for the 6.5 Grendel is slightly greater because it's a larger bullet. I tested a bolt-action handgun in 24 Nosler last year and was so impressed with the round that I had a Remington Model 700 originally in .223 Rem. I have never had a easier caliber to load for. Did the 6 ARC outperform the .223? Both hit at around 12 mils, the 6ARC just hit harder. Jeff, I would have it fluted well to reduce weight and chop +/- 20" - with 95 BTs, it will be a deer slayer, varmint bullets for said creatures. That said, I just got a 6BR for my new PRS rifle. The cartridge was developed by Noslers Mike Lake, and it was approved by SAAMI in 2017. While it is the same length of 20, my twist is faster at 7 rather than Gavins 7.5. The Eagle Eye 6.5 Creedmoor shoots a 130gr hybrid projectile with a .295 G7 at 2,960fps from an average 26" barrel. The 6mm ARC's more efficient projectiles with their high BCs provides superior exterior ballistics with noticeably less wind drift, higher retained velocity and greater retained energy. No math test required. Once we could pinpoint exact distance to target, maximum velocity didnt matter as much. Im referring to the 6mm Creedmoor, which is simply the 6.5 Creedmoor case necked down with no other change. I don't know the velocity, but I suspect something under 3k. When comparing 6mm ARC vs. 6.5 Grendel, you simply must ask, Will it do something your 6.5 Grendel wont? Not that I can see. Its 26-inch barrel made the rifle a bit heavy for toting over hill and dale, plus the 1:12-inch twist limited bullet weights to 90 grains or lighter. The old 243 Winchester can beat that by about 300 fps. A new 100-grain factory deer load completed the rounds metamorphosis. Important to note that Quickload reports the chamber pressure using the combination of components above is 3900 PSI over SAAMI spec and is therefore a dangerous load that should not be used. Thanks in large part to new, long-range shooting competitions, our acceptance of lower velocity accelerated even as muzzle velocities decelerated. Joined: Jun 2002. The 24 Nosler is a terrific performer, so dont let its small size fool you. The 6mm ARC is basically the 6.5 Grendel necked down to hold a .243 bullet with the 30-degree shoulder pushed back a smidgen. Legend, 450 Bushmaster. So, the 6mm ARC outperforms any magazine length 5.56x45mm NATO load simply through a combination of sheer horsepower and more efficient projectiles. Wait a minute. Thats only a minor impediment for serious riflemen. The Barnes 80-grain Tipped Triple-Shock BoatTail sizzles with a velocity of 3,226 fps with a safe loading of VihtaVuori N550 powder, and the Speer 90-grain Hot-Cor can easily achieve 3,115 fps with VihtaVuori N160. The handguard bolts to the upper eliminating impact shifts when setting the bi-pod or locking into a barricade or obstacle. can exceed it by 500 fps and the 240 Weatherby by 600 fps. H4895 with 5-shot groups from the high .5s to 1.0 MOA. Due to the lower MAP, the performance of 6mm ARC ammunition loaded to gas-gun pressures will, on average, be less than firearms loaded to bolt action pressures when using the same barrel length. As such, SAAMI maximum average pressure is set at a relatively mild 52,000 psi. The 6.5 Creedmoor shoots 6.5mm/.264 class projectiles while the 6mm Creedmoor is necked down to shoot 6mm/.243. 6mm ARC quick facts: It's a 6mm cartridge similar to 6.5 Grendel, built for the AR-15 platform It's optimized for bullets in the 103 grain - 110 grain range It's got more velocity and less recoil compared to 6.5 Grendel It shares the same parent case with 6.5 Grendel: The 220 Russian This isn't your grandpa's muzzleloading system. Learn the difference between revolvers and semi-auto pistols and what makes them different. My sources tell me the 6 ARC was a very small order for a specialized unit requested by an obscure R&D group that works under the DoD (Department of Defense) umbrella. Like the grendel though you probably don't want to run high pressures on an ar bolt though. I shot out to 700 yards next with .4 to .5 MOA accuracy and ended the day putting 3 out of 3 shots on the 900 yard gong in a .4 MOA group. There are probably better choices in a bolt gun, The 6 BR Rem has been around for a while but not fifty years, yet. The 6mm Rem. It was the wildcatters who brought it back to life by fiddling with a couple of popular designs. It suffered no vertical stringing. Larue Tactical two-stage, small parts are Seekins, the stock is an LMT. Thank you for this timely video. Ok from the perspective of one 6mm ARC lover. Sort by. The rifles Barrett supplied for the DoD are top-notch, but they are just a modified REC-7 DI. Mikey Hartman, Lt. Col. And one may be all you need to justify a new rifle in a new, low velocity chambering. Do not attempt any of the processes or procedures shown or described on this website. ELD-Match, and Berger 115-gr. Its all about the lack of correlation between mapping out rounds on a computer and sending them downrange at targets measured in yards. Does the 6 mm arc not have 30 degrees shoulder angle?is wikipedia wrong? Her 6mm Creedmoor rifle is light and handy and shoots like a house afire, and recoil and muzzle blast are modest. The 6.5 Grendel was made by modifying the 220 Russian parent case. I cant see it, but for those who like to try something different its is a really nice option. Using a LabRadar chronograph to measure velocities, we saw an average of . Joined. Ultimate Reloader LLC is not responsible for errors in load data on this website. I think the point of the arc is that it works in an ar 15. Every rifle is a proven performer to 1100 meters and an AR using the same or similar suppressor, no brakes, flash hiders or conventional suppressors. Five shot rapid-fire was not bad. It's wearing a, Finally, we started seeing heavy, high B.C., very low drag bullets that improved trajectories by minimizing drag and conserving energy. 6mmBR is not the easy button it is the easiest button. Company literature in 1955 described both bullets as Soft Point.. Posts. All Shooting Times subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. Mid-20th Century 24-calibers shoot much faster than the new Hornady 6mm ARC, but are they ballistically better? This data and these techniques can not be assumed to be safe. Obviously, they are not nearly as popular as the 6mm hunting cartridges. Geissele fixed gas block was retained with no change in brass ejection pattern or bolt speed. Shooters needed cartridges that would fit these increasingly popular, super-short actions. This is fortuitous, as it is a delight to reload and seems to like just about all the bullets Ive tried in it. Reply. If the wind is changing from 4 -7 miles an hour (and it ususally is), you will have more trouble bracketing or holding the 6BR in the 10 or X ring. If you want to shoot at distance with your AR-15, this is the cartridge. Outside a few very special special units, the military gets whats issued. It was essentially the Huntington cartridge, but with a 26-degree shoulder for easier case manufacturing. Tested, selected and fielded by a specialized group within the U.S. DoD for its multipurpose combat rifle program, the versatile 6mm ARC does much of what larger cartridges can and everything that smaller cartridges cant. Shots are on 12 round steel and 22 x 16 silhouette steel at 600 and 1100 meters. Photo shows high B.C. Making those tweaks often feels like creating a powder that doesnt really exist. Sneak Peek of Bryan Litz's New Book: Volume III of Modern Advancements in Long Range Shooting. 6MM ARC AR-15 Barrels for Sale at Joe Bob Outfitters! Commercial 6mm ARC offerings will feature bullets selected to deliver ideal performance for hunting, match shooting and personal protection applications. I tried a test one time after that ladder test, I decided to eyeball the powder amount in the case. projectiles make up for their lower MV with less wind deflection, the toughest variable to battle at long range. 75 GRAIN BULLETS SECTIONAL DENSITY: 0.181 DIAMETER: 0.243" 75 gr. The sudden popularity of the AR-15 platform rifle has inspired a flurry of new, short cartridges that fit its short magazine. Facebook; Twitter; Pinterest; Related Articles. The 243 has a case length of 2.045" compared to the 1.49" of the 6mm cartridges. For now, though, it is anything but a sea change amongst the broader Special Missions Units. I know what. 6mm ARC vs 6mm BR. They built these rifles with great attention to detail. Overall, the 6mm ARC delivers optimum all-range performance and barrel life. No surprise there since it is about the same weight as the 6 ARC and both used Proof Research barrels. Velocity is 2,827 fps, and out of my Browning A-bolt II, it groups into 1.10 inches. Copyright Ron Spomer Outdoors document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) A fun challenge. 100-300m: Consistent 100 meter groups in the .60 -.75 inch range, 2.5-3.0 inches at 300 meters were the norm.
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