I dont even know what a Scofield Bible is but I believe God can use divorced people. anything that even remotely appears to be worldly means that you arent being separate, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 44. Jesus forgave me and Im going to choose to forgive others regardless if they want it. 35. What your pastor told you is a severe twisting of scripture (if he even used scripture). I am a member of an IFB church, Many things on the above list dont apply to the church I attend or those with which I have had the opportunity to attend. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist If you went to a church camp where mixed bathing wasnt allowed and every evening there was a 3 hour sermon, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. We had no money. There are some things that the IFB does very well, such as fellowship. I sought counciling to see if there was anything in the Bible that could give Hope to our relationship. I talk to her about my faith she talks to me about her faith. Lastly, I cant really respond to the think that theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse because I have no idea where thats coming from in my initial post. In the last days, you will get churches like you have described in your initial post, but not all of them are the same. Oh yes, and he forgot the most important, essential factorrelated to KJV reliancevirtual ignorance of and illiteracy in biblical Hebrew and Greek!!!!!!!! I will say though having grown up in that environment, there was a HUGE sense of support from the congregation, I always knew that if I needed something, I had people surrounding me who would help. Quite the contrary, I was searching for something else when I clicked on this link, so I didnt then and dont now come looking to argue. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. 6 Dont waste what is holy on people who are unholy. I respond to IFB jabs, sometimes that requires a jab back. I hope whatever poor experience you had hasnt taken you away from the faith. That is contrary to Bible doctrine for a pastor. [4][5], A split in the New IFB occurred in January 2019, after Donnie Romero, pastor at Stedfast Baptist Church-Fort Worth (SBC), resigned after it was revealed he had hired prostitutes, smoked marijuana and gambled. But if people come here to attack me and my views I will defend myself. https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. 14. If you think that you should cut your vacation short so that you can make it back in time for Sunday morning Sunday School, but think its OK that your pastor miss a Sunday or two because hes on vacation, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 5. Yes, see my answer to your first question. I was married when I attended before and now as a divorced woman, I know I probably would be looked down upon. That being said, I just want to warn the author about injecting too much of his own agenda into these posts. operating or proceeding inconspicuously but with grave effect. 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called Rabbi.. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. He wasnt saying that spanking is right or wrong, but that definitely extreme discipline and beating kids is not what the Bible teaches. I believe the Bible, and if you do not believe the Bible and hate what the Bible teaches, it is because your opinion is more important to you, than what the Bible says, and if that be so, then there is really no reason for you to go to church in the first place. The Lord is doing His work in ths world through local churches. (Genesis 2:24; Romans 7:2; 1 Corinthians 7:10; Ephesians 5:22-23), We believe that God expressly forbids intimate sexual activity be engaged in outside of a marriage between one man and one woman. We believe education in the world is good, but the teaching of evolution needs to be addressed if the individual is a little kid as false doctrine. I praise the lord for that because if I sin I dont have to announce it to anyone but my Heavenly Father and he is faithful and just to forgive me. The two are completely unrelated. What Jesus did on the cross is for our salvation. I was taught that I needed to let God change him. We reject any teaching that abortions of pregnancies due to rape, incest, birth defects, gender selection, birth or population control, or the mental well-being of the mother are acceptable. Yes. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.. Wow, nice list. Yes, because he wants to spend a little time with his child. God has given each institution specific Biblical responsibilities and has balanced those responsibilities with the understanding that no institution has the right to infringe upon the other. The women that I befriended in this church will always be my sister in Christ. Of course these cultural attachments border on the cultic, no doubt are legalistic, and hopefully will disappear eventually as the old guard depart their bondage in this life for Glory! This led to calls to evict Stedfast Baptist Church from its location at a strip mall in Watauga, Texas. We dont mind being scrutinized or even judged. They are shared in my article about tithing: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. Yes, we have a tract rack. Are these points form the KJV Bible or is it carved from the principles from scriptures. If you think that the title Pastor is a synonym for the Man of God or the voice of God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. The IFB church I attend preaches cleaning the heart not performing works. If you think that the KJV is inspired, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 2. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. They are usually so full of themselves, because they went straight from salvation to knowledge, and Peter says to add to your faith virtue, and THEN go to knowledge, 2 Peter 1:5. Preachers should not put their congregation under constraint. Why do people think that I dont have time to pray for loved ones simply because I have this site up? Like I said, Im doing repair work. Those are my concerns about the 25 topics about the Independent Fundamental Baptist beliefs. Jack Hyles came to our church and you would have thought Jesus himself was preaching! All churches are full of sinful people, including the pastor. We believe that salvation is by grace plus nothing minus nothing. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. Good point Steve! Jack hyles was an adulterous heretic. God Bless. God forgave my husband through Christ. We dont think rational thought is dangerous. Its a Biblical principle that we are commanded to follow. Cleveland Baptist Church - Cleveland, OH - Pastor Kevin Folger ; Community Baptist Very few men are qualified to be pastors using your interpretation of scripture. No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us Believing that going to the movies is sinful but not renting them or watching them on TV I dont see anything wrong about going to the movies because I went to the movies years ago. OMG = Oh My Goodness! Marriage for two people that want to make a life together is biblical. I dont post this to to attack you, nor defend Dave, rather to simply point out that perhaps both are not setting the best of examples? Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. Suits and ties are generally not required today for men , except for ministers, though some churches do require suits and ties and I dont know any that I do of. I grew up in a baptist church and went elsewhere after college and I am learning how liberal other churches are and anything goes as long as the people are happy. Yes, we have strife and faults and hypocrites. 10 And dont let anyone call you Teacher, for you have only one teacher, the Messiah. That apparently is what Christ would do. Like I said, Im more than happy to have a discussion. (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. The pastor pointed out (over the course of his long 2 hour sermon LOL) that a shepherd doesnt use a rod and staff to beat his sheep but to prod and guide them. We are not affiliated with any man-made external organization be it a Convention, Association, Fellowship, or National Denomination. Interesting that Steve begins his response by taking the Lords name in vainmmmmmmm, very interesting, but hes found the truth, riiiiight. Lol. Wow! We need no other human agent or spiritual mediator. If you believe that doing, saying, thinking, etc. The key is that youre not suppose to JUST sit under the teaching/preaching of anyone without reading the Bible, seeking wisdom from God, and fellow shipping with people who are interested in drawing closer to God. I love psychology and I love my bible I use them together with Discernment from the Holy Spirit. We believe that all the saved should live in such a manner as not to bring reproach upon their Savior and Lord; and, that separation from all religius apostasy, all worldly and sinful pleasures, practices and associations is commanded of God (II Timothy 3:1-5; Romans 12:1, 2, 14:13; I John 2:15-17; II John 9-11; II Corinthians 6:14-7:1). If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading dont read as a duty each day but as a searching for fellowship each day. The other thing is: Nowhere in the bible are we commanded to attend a regular CHURCH building and dress nice. 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden. Youre supposed to read the word daily, it says give us this day our daily bread. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. You should do something else with the time God has aloud you.Nonsense is not what people need to hear. 2. WebEvery active member wishing to speak shall rise and respectfully address the moderator. 28. My pastor has never taught that man can forgive sins. 33 Snakes! WebWOL's Directory of Independent Baptist Churches; Independent Baptist Churches. Anybody who opposes the IFB teaching is bitter Cant say that because anybody who opposes BIBLICAL teaching is spiritually blind because they dont know the truth. I must forgive others the same way God forgave me. We believe that all the redeemed, once saved are kept by God's power and are thus secure in Christ forever. They knew it would be an investment in your giving and service to them (yes they are that evil). The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their Your happy mega churches do too. Believe it or not I can find time to pray while at the same time not sending my loved ones to an abusive church. WebThe following year, the CBF became the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship (1967). It took exposure to more mature Christians (who were not not IFB!) Care to elaborate, provide examples? Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. From my perspective turning people away from the IFB is turning them towards God. However, some (I agree Ogrodnik) are unfair and judgmental. Scofield came to know Christ AFTER all of that, so I dont hold that against him. If you question if youre truly saved or not when youre having trouble accepting that giviing 10% of your gross income is a direct commandment for all Christians and if you dont give it, youre under a curse. BTW, tithing isnt a Biblical teaching for NT Christians. It is the final authority on all matters of faith, practice, and polity. So I did. If you think that tithing of ten percent of your income is the minimum I dont have any position on this even though I do believe in tithes and offerings. If you feel compelled to go door to door witnessing (or were compelled to visit a nursing home as a teen), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 28. A IFB member knocked on my door one Saturday and invited us to church. This list are things that are unique to the IFB. You might If they are saved , I dare say they regret the day they walked into the very church you enjoy making fun of. We believe in verbal, plenary inspiration in the original writings, and God's preservation of His pure words to every generation (II Timothy 3:16, Psalms 12:6-8). So the IFB pastor did counseling for 2 weeks and then, despite physical abuse, told you to get married! If you consider it worldly and almost frightening if someone brings a different version of the Bible to church, and wonder what your Pastor would say if he knew, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 30. No denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. God is the only one who can forgive mans sins. If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Gospel Light Baptist Church, Albany, Georgia. (Acts 2:41-47; 1 Corinthians 12:12,18; 2 Corinthians 6:14; Hebrews 10:23-25), Scripture mandates two offices for the local church: Pastor and Deacon. If you think that having a disagreement with a fellow Christian means that you are sowing discord with the brethren, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 53. Many churches are about the money, as is some of their pastors. Praise the lord for forgiveness. If you see buses full of kids of all ethnicities and backgrounds coming to worship together, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. They are counting on your service and tithe. Singing anything other than hymns is too liberal While I do favor hymns but I dont see anything wrong with contemporary music since I like a good mix of hymns and contemporary songs. Like a grenade strike, no commitment to understand or empathize, just broad and arrogant assumptions. At one point in my life I would have agreed with 45 of your 55 litmus tests, plus a few others. Same pastor who says to his congregation I love you, we all love you here.and we will not judge you. We believe in one Triune God, eternally existing in three personsFather, Son, and Holy Spirit, co-eternal in being, co-identical in nature, co-equal in power and glory, and having the same attributes and perfections (Deuteronomy 6:4; II Corinthians 13:14). Growing up in a very conservative IFB church, I can personally attest to how accurate most of these were. First Works had previously been the site of protests by activists opposed to its anti-LGBTQ teachings, but police reported there was no evidence linking the protesters to the bombing. If you laugh (snicker, sneer, roll your eyes, etc.) Most Christians believe everything in the Bible. I have 3 children I sometimes spank I sometimes lecture. I do not know if laugh or cry , almost 30 yrs involved in this , Im still a Christian , I serve in my church , Ive learned more since I left the movement , I am happier more devoted Christian than when I was manipulated to go out soulwinning , bus driving ,Sunday school teaching etc. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse than yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, my current pastor, at Balsam Street Christian Church, doesnt do any of the two as he doesnt use the pulpit to preach his sermons anyways. 37. Plus they pray to the saints. Its about Jesus. When I read what you have written, I sense that you are bitter, hurt, angry, and possibly disillusioned. I must say, I was hoping the list would be more interesting but the fact mixed into the exaggeration of each point was mostly so true it seemed a bit pointless! Tithing was around since before the Law of Moses. You are still required to tithe in the IFB regardless of your source of income. 7. We believe that the New Testament church is a local assembly of baptized believers who have voluntarily joined themselves toge therto carry out the Great Commission. I do agree that its not sinful about renting movies or watching them on TV. Not all churches are the same and if they are teaching Bible, they do teach about sin, and it should not be to make you feel any constraint towards the pastor to get away from that sin, but to learn to have some personal conviction that their sins need to be addressed, but THEY have to make that decision. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. I would have rejected the advice if in my heart If didnt want the relationship anymore, but we had a kid and I needed it to work.
